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Please read through the post and help us, as a community, to decide whether the rule should be relaxed in certain cases, or kept as is.
Please Note: as a community, each and every opinion is a valuable one. Changes can only be made on the strength of the majority, so please help us by voting one way or the other. _________________ Please help us to improve HEDir by reviewing some sites.
It goes without saying that sub-domains, submitted for SEO purposes only, will probably stand no chance of getting accepted in HEDir, in case anyone was wondering. _________________ Please help us to improve HEDir by reviewing some sites.
I am one who does not typically like to accept subdomains - but this is not a black and white issue with only 1 answer.
My opinion:
- Allow sub-domains to be submitted to the directory when the content of the subdomain is significantly different from the main domain. Examples are blogs, Geocities sites and other domains that host unrelated sub-sites as part of how they do business.
- Allow sub-domains to be submitted to the directory if the sub-domain is not easily navigated to from the main site.
- Do not allow sub-domains that are related to the main domain subject matter and are easily navigated to from the main domain(For example, I have a web site for my hosting & design company. Links to those 2 subdomains are on the front page of my primary domain.)
This is consistent with how some other directories deal with subdomains, and it has been working well for everyone except those who set up subdomains for SEO purposes only. You know some people set up many subdomains in an attempt to get more listings in search engines and directories.
This allows people to have their blogs and personal sites listed in the directory even if they don't have their own domains.
This also keeps out subdomains that are set up mostly to help get the most links to search engines. I would LOVE to have 30 subdomains for my site to be listed in each directory; but that is not a service to the directory user, is it, when they can find all of those related subdomains from my main site?
In the example that UncleNabob presents, I would not agree to accepting every subdomain for the City of Something if they all are reachable from the main City of Something web site. While using this subdomain structure is a very good choice for managing content, it does not mean that every subdomain belongs in a directory - this causes unnecessary inflation of the directory and I don't think that's a good outcome.
- Selectively accepting subdomains will be a benefit to the end user.
- Accepting all subdomains will bloat the directory to the point it is no longer useful to the end user.
- Disallowing all subdomains also does not serve the end user well.
I do feel that all those points should be taken into consideration before including any sub-domain. But I am still confused about the part that if the main domain is already listed like “www.aaa.com” and again a sub-domain e.g., “bbb.aaa.com,” be submitted then what will you do? You won’t allow by saying that the main domain is already listed? Or will you consider it for inclusion? Please clarify my doubts.
I am still confused about the part that if the main domain is already listed like “www.aaa.com” and again a sub-domain e.g., “bbb.aaa.com,” be submitted then what will you do? You won't allow by saying that the main domain is already listed? Or will you consider it for inclusion?
If the main domain is already listed in the directory, then someone submits a sub-domain of that site, then I would not accept the sub-domain unless:
1) it contains significantly different subject matter than the main site (a blogger's subdomain like writergrrrl.blogspot.com for example)
or
2) the content of the subdomain is specialized and hard to find on the internet, so it has significant value to the end user
and
3) the sub-domain can not be reached by navigation on the main site.
Otherwise, I'd be most likely to reject the subdomain.
Subdomains are essentially part of main domain. Mostly the subdomains are used to provide segmented information.
UncleNabob wrote:
I know that subdomains can help manage really complex systems
I do agree with this fact, arrangement of information in a complex can be done easily if the information is sub divided and represented in sub domains. But at the same time we can't avoid of trend SEO activity using subdomains, which is considered as bad.
In current scenario of web development, subdomains are being highly used (as for example blogs). Sometimes these subdomains also contain good useful resources, which should be a part of directory listing.
So to be more specific, subdomains can be treated as good resource when they contain unique and relevant resource compare to main domain. So to select those useful subdoamins Hedir should have very well defined rules for it. Also we need a good system so that those rules can be maintained at the time of submission too. Otherwise, that will create a situation like a pile of submission at November 2005. I think most of the members don't like to have the problem once again . I am in favour of accepting subdomains but the submission process and the acceptance guideline has to be very proper.
Btw, I think perhaps you people know that fact, that we do accept subdoamins in paid submission. In that case Anthony's team very carefully checks the sites and then approves them for sponsored listing. Otherwise we refund the amount.
Thanks Writergrrrl, I was expecting you. As you know, sponsored listings are a source of revenue to run a website. So, we have not kept much strict guidelines for such listings. It was similar to the main domain. We just check whether the content available in the sub-domain is different from the main domain or not. These are some other points which are also taken care of before approval:
1) Sites dealing with pornography/casino/gambling/illegal warez and drugs are not accepted for advertising.
In case of free sites, we have strictly prohibited sub-domains. But after going through discussions on sub-domain, I feel that we can make use of unique, informative and fresh sub-domains in Hedir. And I can see 3 of you (Unclenabob, Nozz and You) are discussing about sub-domains smoothly. It's nice to see that you have volunteered to shape-up the sub-domains related guidelines. And I shall be thankful if you write that too.
BTW, I think Josh may have some technical points to share on this issue. Ain't I right Josh? _________________ "Every good thing takes time to happen"
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I don't know, why you guys have decided to accept sub-domains. I can assume the head ache coming up on you guys with hell lot of submission. I don't see it provides much deeper information because it contains less no. of pages and also found spammy and similar content.
I don't know, why you guys have decided to accept sub-domains.
We haven't. This is purely a poll to decide whether we should or not. No-one is saying vote 'Yes'.
The reason we're looking at this issue again is that UncleNaBob raised valid points for accepting 'certain' sub-domains. I'm not saying all sub-doms. should be accepted, but that providing a sub-dom has not been submitted for SEO purposes, then there should be a democratic vote for each individual case. As the rule stands at present, a submitter cannot argue their case.
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I can assume the head ache coming up on you guys with hell lot of submission.
Once we have guidelines written and displayed, anyone not adhering to the rules will face immediate rejection, as is the case at present. So anyone under the misconception of submitting http://cameras.mygreatshoppingsite.com or whatever, will still be shown the door.
Remember, any reviewer who still has a problem accepting a sub-dom can still vote 'No'.
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I don't see it provides much deeper information because it contains less no. of pages and also found spammy and similar content.
If a large organsiation wants to manage its domain by creating sub-sections I can't really see what the problem is. You couldn't accuse Microsoft of creating http://support.microsoft.com for spammy reasons, or that it has similar content to the main site?
It's the SEO'ers who've given sub-doms a bad name.
Lastly, if a regular poster at HEDir throws up a discussion on an existing 'rule', then it's only common courtesy that we, as a community, at least discuss his or her concerns and make a decision based on what we find. Don't get me wrong - I'm not on a mission to see sub-doms accepted, but I am on a mission to see that a legitimate query gets the attention it deserves - hence this poll. _________________ Please help us to improve HEDir by reviewing some sites.
I don't know, why you guys have decided to accept sub-domains.
No decision has been made. You can vote No if you disagree
That's the point of having a poll, as Nozz very eloquently described. Please voice your opinion - everyone's ideas are valid and useful, even if you disagree.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not on a mission to see sub-doms accepted, but I am on a mission to see that a legitimate query gets the attention it deserves - hence this poll.
No, not at all Nozzmoking. I was just curious about those things. And you defined well. I do want Hedir to be furnished with better information.
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Open discussion is what helps a community grow nicely.
That is the spirit writergrrrl ! I feel that Hedir's main Mantra is Community-Power This is the reason why I like to visit Hedir.
Anyway, I am voting yes because I believe in you guys. Btw, If you need me anytime, please drop a PM.
Thanks to all for giving this topic some really good discussion. I think it's pretty obvious that spammers will always be one step ahead of any specific spam identification and control method. It is really very difficult to write specific procedural rules for spam and other bad habits.
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. I am in favour of accepting subdomains but the submission process and the acceptance guideline has to be very proper. 
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