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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:27 pm Post subject: Poll - Should we remove all Nov 24 submissions?
My fellow members, let's get this issue out of the way once and for all.
A little background information for all of you who don't know what this is about:
Around October 2005, we decided to implement a mandatory review rule. This meant that anybody still could submit a site but the submission would not be shown in the review forum untill submitter had done 10 reviews. The submitted sites were in an invisible backlog. This didn't work at all because no one was doing any reviews so after a month or two there was no site left for review. Yes, those were the days!
In november 2005 it was clear that this didn't work so admins threw all those submissions from the invisible backlog in the review forum. Hence the enormous amount of Nov 24 submissions. We're talking about approx. 9,000 sites (this is a wild guess). None of them was checked or even seen by human eyes. No moderation at all.
Francesco, GJ and I tried to weed out all the obvious spammy/bogus submissions but there're still a lot left (approx. 6,000-8,000?). I'm not saying they're all bad submissions, there're probably a bunch of normal/good sites among them.
Question remains: should we remove all Nov 24 submissions? these submitters didn't meet HEDIR's guidelines of that time. They're neither active in the forums.
Let's make a community decision about this once and for all. If the majority thinks all Nov 24 submissions should stay, let's agree to never mention them again. If not, let's get them out of the way pronto! _________________ Please review some sites.
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You got lucky this time baggs... guess I'll have to just stick with a yes.. but the answer seems pretty obvious to me.
I have to admit, I did go inactive on the hedir forums recently for a whole bunch of reasons which I've outlined on the thread in my signature (in case you were interested.. ) but one reason I didn't mention is the painfully long list which depressed me a little bit more every time I looked at it..
I started out reviewing thinking yeah I'll get this web design category moving but it didn't really move much.. I think I made it wobble.. maybe..
Anyway, my point is that those sites are clearly never going to get the attention they need and they're just gonna sit there and clog up the system, scaring away people like me..
My suggestion:
Some kind of time limit for how long a site can be under review before it dies.. Like 3 months..? If the submitter doesn't make any contribution to the community in that time, the community won't contribute to them.. (that might sound like 3 year old logic but I can't be bothered to rephrase..)
This way, even if a submitter blabs a few useful reviews here or there just for the sake of getting their own site reviewed, it's more than likely he/she will review more than they receive.. (like I did - I'm being honest for the sake of HEDir here )
If you promote the idea that reciprocating reviews is "good Hedir etiquette" then everyone wins and my calculator tells me Hedir will grow exponentially..
I've also summed up my idea in an equation:
Exponential Growth of Hedir + majc = trouser area stimulation
Those who are the regular member of Hedir must aware of Nov 24 submissions and also baggeroli explained it nicely. I also consider thats a big headache for all of us. IMO removing all those submissions is a easiest solution we can think of.
baggeroli wrote:
I'm not saying they're all bad submissions, there're probably a bunch of normal/good sites among them.
I think there should be some good submissions too. So I am not looking for the option of deleting all the submissions.
Now I think I should present some information regarding Review Centre. In Review Centre we present sites, staying in the Review Queue or Rejected for Now forum for different categories. As a result the total number of pages goes near to 400. I can suggest two thing that can give review centre a proper shape.
Let us remove all the Nov 24 submissions from the review centre. This will greatly reduce the number of pages in Review Centre. We can continue our discussion regarding the fate of those submissions.
If we still don't find yourself satisfied with Review Centre, then nextly we can remove all the sites comming from Rejected For Now forums of the corresponding category.
I need to think if we can provide some way to select some good site from those biggest batch. Let me think on it.
I have absolutely no problem with nuking the Nov 24 submissions. I also have no problem with the aforementioned time limit rule. If a site sits in review for 1 year, and the site can't achieve enough yes votes as it is, and the initial submitter never returns to address problems, IMHO remove the site.
If you are truly concerned about losing the occasional diamond-in-the-rough, I would suggest something like this: let the mods pick the most promising 1-5 sites in each main category for further review. And let the others rest in peace. _________________
# Let us remove all the Nov 24 submissions from the review centre. This will greatly reduce the number of pages in Review Centre. We can continue our discussion regarding the fate of those submissions.
# If we still don't find yourself satisfied with Review Centre, then nextly we can remove all the sites comming from Rejected For Now forums of the corresponding category.
That sounds great Josh. Although I don't see the point of a bunch of sites (I mean the nov 24 sites) which are moved to another space-time continuum where they just sit there.
Hehe, it's new to me that Rejected For Now sites are listed in the Review Center. Get them out. As if there aren't enough sites to review.
at the time of developing Review Centre, someone told me to put sites from Rejected For Now forums. The reason behind that was we don't reject sites forever. If webmaster of the site changes the proposed correction or if the site gets required number of yes vote then we put it back to the Review Queue forum. Until the sites catch the attention of reviewer they may not get the required number of yes vote to come back to Review Queue forums. So to get attention of reviewers, sites from Rejected For Now forums have to be in the Review Centre.
IMO let me first remove all the 24 Nov submissions from the Review Centre in first step, we will check for Review Centre for few days. Afterwards as second step we will remove sites form Rejected For Now forums. If you agreed on this I will do the changes before this weekend.
The simplest solution is to get rid of the submissions.
The worst option is to keep them around as is.
But, HEDIR reviewers do have some time invested in some of the sites, and some of them may be worthy.
How about eliminating any submission from Nov 24 with less than 100,000 total thread points and fewer than 5 positive reviews? That should get rid of about 90% of the junk out there. The rest, we should be able to manage?
However, when this was discussed in November 2006, I was told that it is an advantage to leave them somewhere in the system so if the site is resubmitted, there is a trail of some kind ...
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) but one reason I didn't mention is the painfully long list which depressed me a little bit more every time I looked at it..
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