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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:46 pm Post subject: OpenGrid.com
I just came across this directory today. Has anyone else here seen it? The interesting thing was that before I was able to submit my link, I had to rate 5 sites. It gave you a link to go to and you were able to rate the sites and when you were done it brought you back to the submission page. I was then able to submit my link which was immediately accepted.
I was thinking, maybe hedir could do something along those lines to get more users to review. Before someone can even submit a site for review, they MUST review a certain number of sites.
Any thoughts on this or on this opengrid directory?
Yes Janet, HEDIR used the same policy (review 10 sites before submission) back in November or something. It didn't work quite well: not a lot of sites were submitted.
I'm inclined to want to leave it the way it is...for now. We need to get more sites, and if that means we have to let the users submit and then review, then so be it.
I would say once we reach a certain number of sites (say, 2000), then we can implement that because the directory will already have a solid footing. _________________ HEDir's Prince of Cool
"Copyright laws grant the creator the exclusive right to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute, perform and display the work publicly. Exclusive means only the creator of such work, not anybody who has access to it and decides to grab it. "
Nice project you have here
Perhaps the powers that be here would like to contact me, co-founder Opengrid.org - Open-Grid.com Nick Sahadi at
staff@opengrid.org
Maybe we can work something out, or talk about combining resources.
"Copyright laws grant the creator the exclusive right to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute, perform and display the work publicly. Exclusive means only the creator of such work, not anybody who has access to it and decides to grab it. "
If you want to protect a procedure then get a patent. Otherwise I may have missed your point.
If I take out all the stuff that doesnt matter much from your posting here, then you end up with...
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Hello all, followed a link from the logs.
Nice project you have here
Thanks!
Ah, there he is... Hi Nick, could you please tell a bit more about opengrid? I've visited your site off course but I don't yet get the main concept e.g. public reviews? inclusion criteria? rejection? editor based? etc _________________ Please review some sites.
Contributing members of the month
I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not trying to raise hell, but I'm not sure you can copyright a procedure of reviewing sites before ranking them. In copyrighting an open concept, you effectively make it a private concept, which defeats one of the primary goals of the Internet as a medium.
Having said that, it looks pretty similar to HEDir, but not necessarily the same that I can see. For example, and I don't fault you for this:
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Note: Due to major problems other directories are experiencing regarding editors with SEO affiliations we are not accepting editors that are in the SEO business.
That could extend to the web design business, if a web designer offers SEO services, or to anyone having a site related to SEO but not necessarily in the business itself as well. Major tightrope there, and you're already excluding a group of people from full participation. HEDir doesn't do that.
Next, the "resources" section. HEDir doesn't really have one as such that isn't decided by the users. You have a small one, and included in it are the people at SearchEngineWatch, a site about...well...SEO. Sort of contradicts point #1.
Those are two pretty big differences IMHO. _________________ HEDir's Prince of Cool
baggeroli, the opengrid is built buy users of the internet (the public if you will) vs. editors. A very close concept to what you are using here, which is a Good Thing. Both our endeavor and yours is a move in the right direction.
Others started to move in this direction (Zeal) but fell short. Zeal had the right idea in being more public i.e. public forums, but did not make the jump to allow the public a chance at building the directory. Instead they relied upon the "editor" system which in turn lead to the same problems of the ODP.
In our system we rely upon users / the public to submit sites, but before they can complete the submission process they must review 5 other sites (at random) that were previously submitted thus giving a general ranking to any listing.
At the moment, sites are included automatically once the submission routine is complete. However, the next step (not in use yet) is using a mathematical equation inwhich sites are not automatically listed, but rather they must meet a minimum ranking (again, the ranking comes from the public) in order to be listed.
In essence, at that point the public decides if the site is just spam / useful.
On editors: We do have them and that is the name they wish to use. Editors are present to edit / proofread current listings, correct spelling, move listed sites to more appropriate categories. (You may have a similar setup, have not looked yet)
All opengrid.org "Editors" can edit anywhere / any category. There is no hierarchy such as "meta editors" above "rank and file" editors. Again a good thing IMHO
So far, there has been 0% of infighting with editors, which I believe is due to the = footing and also that no editor is "the editor of" any category.
At the same time, we have recieved 0% complaints from webmasters frustrated at the time it takes to get listed as seen with 1st Yahoo, then the predecessor Newhoo aka ODP (which ironically was born to fix that problem)
On a side note, the reference to the copyright was to show that yes we began with this idea back then. Not meant to ruffle feathers as whoever gets the job done will be providing a great service.
There are more complete / better synopsis of the the formulation and basis statements of what opengrid.org is here
http://www.opengrid.org/ (front page is used to explain opengrid.org concept)
Lastly, I am a true believer that this concept (or your version) IS the next generation and offer our assitance to see it come to fruition on a large scale
Best Regards and Good Luck to all of you at Hedir.com,
Nick Sahadi
co-founder ~ opengrid.org
"Interesting thing about this site: it seems like it implemented the idea of community review before HEDIR did."
Sorry, can not agree. Hedir implemented the idea of community review way back in 2005. _________________ Evolution is always better than revolution. My attempt at Blogging!
At the moment, sites are included automatically once the submission routine is complete. However, the next step (not in use yet) is using a mathematical equation inwhich sites are not automatically listed, but rather they must meet a minimum ranking (again, the ranking comes from the public) in order to be listed.
In essence, at that point the public decides if the site is just spam / useful.
I went to your site and registered. I started leaving comments on a few sites and came to the conclusion that you wouldn't have any sites in your directories if I went through them all.
I kept finding sites with these attributes...
1. many repeats in the same directories.
2. free geocities type sites are listed.
3. deep linking urls as domain.com/blah (which also allows domain.com/blah2) I seen a few of this in the same directories form the same site/domain.
4. Sites in listings with 404 errors. One site was one marked "NEW".
Ofcourse the word New makes a person think this was just added as a source of good info if they don't read a page full of info to know you just allow anything to be submitted.
5. Sites in listings with unsecure shopping carts and order by email with no paypal option or anything.
6. personal family type websites using sidepages as a business without real serious content presenting a business structure.
Although you have a very sleek looking site, its function is lacking.
Maybe with a little more elbow grease you will be able to catch up with the standards that are needed to be a real human edited directory system. The directory in its current state is unusable for useful information and finding quality sites.
Certainly I could have done a more indepth review of your site, but this would seem to be enough to turn me away.
No doubt Open Grid is not perfect, but can anyone name one directory even close to perfection?
I suppose I could do likewise (speak negatively of Hedir.com) but I would rather see the positives here than search for the negative (I am sure there must be atleast 1
However I will say one of the major problems seen at the biggest human edited directory is not with the directory but rather with a certain small % of individuals holier than thou attitude if you will. Allways willing to point the finger, but never willing to accept responsiblity or look in their own backyard.
From what I have seen here so far, the majority of participants operate on a positve level, seeing the possibilty of improvement and at the same time I must say this is a core attitude at Open Grid.
On this note, while Open Grid is very far from perfect we are allways willing to look at ourselves and be Open to change, a must IMHO.
I am able to admit when I'm wrong. I want to make a formal apology. I went a little overboard on kicking sand in your face about your site. I hope you can understand that I went into a "Protect Hedir" mode and took the easy way out to simply talk down about your site. You have only posted good intensions and never faltered to stay that way.
I am able to take a beating as much as I seemed to have gave one.
please accept my apology and commence with the public flogging.
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