Hedir Review : SUGGESTION SUGGESTION SUGGESTION PLS READ!!!!!!

kappixteam · Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 265 10351 Hedir Points

Hello Hedir Friends:

I'd like to get your opinion on Hedir community's voting practices. As a rule, I deem it good practice to vote any which way I feel a site merits and offer feedback to the submitter. Seems to me that most all reviewers adopt that position as well. After all, what value does our vote have without some sort of feedback? Hedir reviews are more than a mere vote: they are meant to enhance a site's quality by means of discussions, exchanges of ideas, tips, and constructive critique.

Consequently, I'd like to ask if the Hedir community believes that the nature of Hedir reviews hinge on discussion and if so, I ask that we support this belief by adopting a policy that would make it impossible to vote without adding a comment (can be technically handled easily). Please think my suggestion over.

I'd appreciate your thoughts and hopefully agreement to amend Hedir's voting policy.

Thank you for reading this,

Yours,

Bzzzy Bee · Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: I'm on board with this!

As far as I'm concerned, this thought is right on track. From my very first moments at HEDir, it became clear to me that the privilege of voting should go hand in hand with the responsibility of reviewing. This is a wonderful principle. Unfortunately, the system does currently allow people to vote without even saying why they're making a particular decision. This may pass with a "yes" vote, but certainly not with a "no" because the submitter needs feedback. Voting "no" without saying why deprives the submitter of exactly the process we say we're here to promote...improving websites in order to up internet standards.

My experience here has been brilliant. The feedback I've received and the changes I've subsequently implemented have unquestionably improved my site and increased my knowledge base. Recently, after a ton of work, I got a mysterious "no" vote without a name or explanation attached. Now, this is no ego killer because I've got eight other "yes" votes and a whole lot of encouragement besides. But what I wish is that the person who cast that "no" vote would detail their reasons. It would be valuable for me to know if there was a legitimate reason, something I could continue to improve. Voting without saying why gives the impression that you're just slamming something. There's no way to verify that someone is voting responsibly. Does that make sense? I have yet to cast a vote for any site at HEDir without saying why I'm deciding one way or the other. That's as it should be. What can be done to ensure that this ethic is maintained?

Google Junky · SuperMOD Joined: 01 Jan 2006 Posts: 3868 286 Hedir Points

I agree to members always telling why they have voted for or against a site.
If the submitter is seen as active then a member reviewer should also give time for a response to what they see as a problem rather then just voting immediatly. It would be hard to police any junk posts with a simple yes or no vote.

Baggs would have some to add to this if he were here.

Our recent rash of Guest posts in review threads isn't helping at all with the voting side of things. This is a serious problem that will have to be fixed very soon.

baggeroli · Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:50 am Post subject:

Indeed this is a serious problem. Can I say it's a very OLD problem as well?

HEDIR is a collection of sites based on reviews by the members. The vote is merely a coding equivalent of the review as in to make it easier to record each review in a database. A vote on itself is an empty container, therefore meaningless unless there's a review to back it up. IMO it's as simple as that. That's why I've always been against remote voting scripts and the likes. Guest posts should be disallowed just as guest submissions are disallowed. It should also be impossible to vote without typing something in the reply box. I know: some people will submit a bunch of non-sense and then vote, you can't prevent that from happening but those are easy to spot and can simply be ignored or removed. Another advantage would be that the submitter can see where the NO-vote came from and that there's no need for panic or any other action.

Bzzzy Bee · Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:39 am Post subject: Taking temporary action

Well, in light of Baggeroli's comments, I've removed the HEDir voting box from my site. I put it on when I first arrived since it seemed to me that I was supposed to have it. But now I just feel it's counter-productive to what we're trying to accomplish here. I'll be watching and waiting to see how the holes in our system get plugged...

AjiNIMC · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 516 18600 Hedir Points

I think we should stop votes without reviews, I think it is already like that. Hedir integrated votes with review, isnt it?